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The IDP Geek Huddle: IDP Trade Values

In what is about to be my first full year of actually writing about IDP and doing what I can to get this ten plus years of IDP insight out to interested fantasy owners, there a few repeated questions I get often. One of those would be asking what an IDP players value would be in a trade offer. In most cases, if the trade offer laid out for me involves just IDP players I can simply determine those values. But in offers that involve an offensive player there normally is a process to determine what the value of the IDP player’s value is compared to that offensive player. There is a wide range of scoring formats in IDP leagues from the standard scoring to what I’m now happy to start seeing is a more even score setting bringing IDP up to the level of offensive players. Which I’ll add now that I’d only personally be interested in an IDP league that does have the higher score setting over the standard to bring both sides of the ball within a tighter margin of each other if I was to join one. It’s a subject that I may cover later on this winter in an article when drafting and creating new leagues are in full swing for the 2018 season. But for now back to the subject at hand, and that’s determining IDP trade values in any existing dynasty league. Which will also translate for any yearly league down the road that we may join.

IImage result for nflt’s that time of year that teams are orphaned and some of us are asked or seeking to take an existing team over in a league. As the IDP format keeps gaining momentum in the fantasy football world even veterans to the format should always want to know a league’s values on the IDP players. Especially people joining an existing league when the veteran owners in those leagues sometimes look to test or take advantage of the new owner with low balling offers. This is a fact of life even in brand new leagues right after they are created. There will always be that owner or two that will take advantage of another owner by low balling an offer to test what we know. It’s just a fact of the game that some use to try and take advantage of in a legit method to build one’s roster up to win. Afterall we all know that there isn’t a moral obligation in the world of fantasy football to try and win by being fair with an offer. That falls on ourselves to determine if it is a fair offer by knowing the values of whatever is involved in any trade idea that’s been offered to us.

Offensive players have always been the base of any fantasy league even if it involves a league including IDP players, so we all have a general idea how to value those different tiered players when it comes to trading. Some are better than others or even can be considered lucky in doing so. But there is always a standard in offensive players between the different tiers we use to determine the values. This actually helps in determining a leagues IDP values as we cover the easiest methods in doing so. Just like offensive players, there are what each IDP player versus another IDP player values may be, what a rookie pick versus an IDP player is, and the offensive player versus the IDP player value. We’re going to cover all three even if the pick values can vary more depending on what the owners involved feel the picks are actually worth. So knowing this variable between each other pick values versus players exists, keep in mind we’re going to offer a suggested base to start with and then it’s entirely up to the individuals to mediate. There are owners who love picks and the rookies they bring in and those of us that don’t value them nearly as much. So using the base can be a starting point and possibly something to point out in negotiations. Occasionally we come across another owner that our values are the same. But realistically how often do those happen, not often enough.

How to Determine IDP Players Vs. Offensive Player

There are basically two easy ways to help determine IDP versus Offensive Player. We’ll cover an existing league or a dynasty first. In any dynasty, unless it is a startup, has an end of the year rankings from the previous season. Simply find those end of the season rankings and pull them up to examine where players fell in the rankings for the league. To do this accurately we must, of course, pull up all the players in the league at the same end of the year rankings. If we do this with just one or the other and then compare side by side it can still be done by looking at the player’s end of the year total points. But the simpler way is to have the whole leagues list with IDP and Offensive players with the overall rankings. Those rankings should be set by the system default of what the players in the league scored last season anyhow and sorted by highest points. It’s less work and faster to do this way. When you pull them up you should be looking at something like the following example. For the example, I’ll be using what I call my flagship leagues 2017 end of the year rankings. It’s score settings for the IDP is above the standard as the main difference is that instead of a tackle being worth say, 1.5 and the assists at .5 pts each, they are set at 1.5 for tackles and 1.5 for assisted. A setting I highly suggest to bring IDP players into a more relevant factor to balance the league and make IDP players more enjoyable to use. You’ll notice I’ve used a portion of the rankings to minimize the chart for the article. But in general should be what you’re looking at in any league or site. I included this leagues IDP scoring format in the far right column as an example to give a general idea of bringing IDP up to this level.

Now in the chart locate LB Deion Jones. And here is the really simple part, whatever offensive players can be located around him and whatever value you put on those offensive players are basically the same value that the IDP player is basically worth. In Deion Jones case and in this scoring format we would have to assume he is at least worth an upper tiered offensive player. Again this is a base, the true value will be decided among the individuals that are involved in the trade talks. Of course, keeping in mind that just like offensive players that some overachieve some seasons and end up ranked higher or vice versa may be ranked lower due to whatever circumstance might have unfolded thru the season.

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If your unsure of a player status in fantasy football land then consult an IDP ranking you trust to see if the possible “said” player under or over-performed. Like in this case where Jones is ranked #41 while Joe Schobert (#27) and Blake Martinez(#29) are ranked higher. By taking a quick look a fantasy football site’s dynasty IDP rankings for the coming season that you trust you’d more than likely find Jones ranked higher because he is a little bit more of a proven player over the other two by one season. In a standard size league, I’d gladly give an offensive player located around or even slightly above Jones for Jones knowing his future is solid at that level, of course, based on league scoring. But with Scholbert and Martinez who hold a little risk going into 2018 after only one season of producing at a high level, I’d drop their value down one tier below a known offensive player’s value. All of this is why I suggest finding an IDP dynasty ranking you trust if you’re not 100% sure on who is who in the IDP format. And of course, this same method works on all IDP positions.

Now, let’s approach this as a startup league for our second method, a yearly or a new dynasty. In this situation your site may not offer last seasons end of the year rankings after scoring format for the league is set. And I’d like to mention here, if the commish has fooled with the score settings after a leagues draft, ask for your cash back or just leave, it’s not a good sign. But in this situation you don’t have prior season information to look upon then you can simply look at the leagues upcoming seasons projections. Hopefully the same way as the end of the season rankings and with all the league’s players listed at one time. I’ve played on many different sites over the years and can’t say I remember one that at least wouldn’t offer projections, but over the last few years I’ve also narrowed down my personal league(s) and I’m not 100% sure on all of them. But after a league has set it’s scoring format then projections should reflect those settings. So simply do the same as the first method, look at the players surrounding the IDP player(s) in projections. It should still be a solid base to determine trade values in basically the same way. And in both situations where you have an end of the season and a projected ranking they can nicely be compared to gauge values even more.

How To Determine An IDP Vs. Current Year Draft Pick

This can be done pretty well the same way as the above. The difference to me personally here is I suggest that when you find the players range among the surrounding players that you mentally subtract half the value with the IDP player. The reason why we should look at it this way is the market margin leans heavily on offensive players over defensive players. This is not my doing, it is what the overall consensus that seems to be dictated in general by the fantasy football world. And I don’t mean a player worth a first is knocked down to a third either. We should take it by tier. In other words, if you’re willing to trade or willing to trade for an offensive player worth a first and the league’s values have a top-tier player at two first rounds then a top tiered linebacker would really only net you a single first or perhaps a single first and another lower pick.

Example: I’m not going to use Gronk who is right next to Jones because we all know Gronk demands more in the real fantasy football world. But let’s use SFO RB Carlos Hyde as a better example, he is located right above both. And again, values here are only an example.

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Hyde = 1st rounder in the upper half of round.

Jones = 1st round in lower half of the round down to the top couple of picks in the 2nd.

Second Example: A Hyde vs. Jones trade (within range)

Joe offers SFO RB Carlos Hyde for Bobs ATL LB Deion Jones and a 2018 3rd round pick. (= within fair range)

I don’t personally agree here with how the fantasy world values offensive players over the defensive player, but it is what it is and if we are to manage to deal in IDPs in trades involving picks it is the overall consensus. Of course, it doesn’t mean you have to start lower, never hurts to go high-end at first in any trade negotiations. But I’ve never seen a league that a defensive player is ranked in the top ten in end of the season rankings either. Which would mean the score settings were tweaked, even more, to make that happen. So if there is one out there, the same method as I’ve mentioned above works in that case or any case. Let the rankings and/or the projections determine what you should ask for on your IDP players values. If the other trade party wants to disagree then point out the rankings and projections. Either way, it goes we have a base value for any IDP player in any league to determine where we start in any trade conversations.

Thanks again for reading, I hope you found some helpful information to gain the edge in your IDP leagues heading into 2018. As always I can be found on twitter at @HBogart27

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